Is there an option for a special user in Nestopia?

[koitsu]

Man, I hate home folders, document folders, media folders, all of that crap... I can't stand this trend of operating systems telling me where to store my stuff, like their organization system suited everyone in the world.

It's possible to move the My Documents folder in Windows. I moved it to another drive so that if/when I have to reinstall Windows all my files would be safe (as long as they're saved in that folder...)

You can move My Documents anywhere you want (right-click on My Documents folder, choose Move, then pick what you want Windows to use), but %APPDATA% will still be C:\Documents and Settings\yourusername. I know this because I do the same thing you do (I move mine to D:\Important Documents).

There are some programs which do store stuff in My Documents (often games, i.e. My Documents\My Games) -- examples include Borderlands 1 and 2, Halo, Faster than Light, and Freelancer -- but there are others which store that stuff in their own installation folder, and others which install stuff in %APPDATA%\programname. Don't mistake this for %USERPROFILE%\Local Settings, which also has an "Application Data" folder in it (and there is a difference between the two -- one is sync'd with roaming profiles, the other isn't).

With the introduction of Windows 7 (possibly Vista, don't remember), Microsoft destroyed the ability to move My Documents -- it's one of my 100+ reasons I stay with XP. I have not the slightest fucking idea what "Libraries" is supposed to represent, all I know is that the way it's implemented/layed out makes no sense, and that the names of some of the things in there don't even match what they are on the filesystem. It was one of the first things I saw that indicated someone at the company was just screwing around/changing shit for the hell of it, rather than actually changing something to solve a problem. Likewise, what they did with their "Games" stuff is also confusing as hell (I still to this day cannot figure out what that nonsense is about) -- I encountered a game which used it (EVE Online) briefly, but after a few versions/releases they reverted to the old way because people were pissed off.

The only thing they did on Vista/7/8 that I liked was move the idiotically-long base path from C:\Documents and Settings to C:\Users. The rest of what they did is just one big long fart.

There are ways to address all this (moving %APPDATA% and so on), but it's a global thing not a per-user thing. And don't even get me started on roaming profiles, which I had to deal with/help manage in a manner of speaking at my past job. They're a clusterfuck, complete and total clusterfuck -- hard proof that Windows is still to this day not a good multi-user OS.

[thefox]

With the introduction of Windows 7 (possibly Vista, don't remember), Microsoft destroyed the ability to move My Documents -- it's one of my 100+ reasons I stay with XP. I have not the slightest fucking idea what "Libraries" is supposed to represent, all I know is that the way it's implemented/layed out makes no sense, and that the names of some of the things in there don't even match what they are on the filesystem. It was one of the first things I saw that indicated someone at the company was just screwing around/changing shit for the hell of it, rather than actually changing something to solve a problem. Likewise, what they did with their "Games" stuff is also confusing as hell (I still to this day cannot figure out what that nonsense is about) -- I encountered a game which used it (EVE Online) briefly, but after a few versions/releases they reverted to the old way because people were pissed off.

Well, I'm using Win7 and was able to move the My Documents just fine. As for Libraries, they're just collections of multiple folders. E.g. your "Documents" Library could consist of several different folders.

[koitsu]

With the introduction of Windows 7 (possibly Vista, don't remember), Microsoft destroyed the ability to move My Documents -- it's one of my 100+ reasons I stay with XP. I have not the slightest fucking idea what "Libraries" is supposed to represent, all I know is that the way it's implemented/layed out makes no sense, and that the names of some of the things in there don't even match what they are on the filesystem. It was one of the first things I saw that indicated someone at the company was just screwing around/changing shit for the hell of it, rather than actually changing something to solve a problem. Likewise, what they did with their "Games" stuff is also confusing as hell (I still to this day cannot figure out what that nonsense is about) -- I encountered a game which used it (EVE Online) briefly, but after a few versions/releases they reverted to the old way because people were pissed off.

Well, I'm using Win7 and was able to move the My Documents just fine. As for Libraries, they're just collections of multiple folders. E.g. your "Documents" Library could consist of several different folders.

I'll fire up the Windows 7 VM later and see if I can remember what the hell it is I'm talking about then. Actually, you know what, no I won't -- I just realised half the shit I'm talking about has no relevancy/bearing on the actual thread subject... :/

[ouso1999]

sorry guys for my absence

[ouso1999]

Looks like you got it all wrong! He wants an option in Nestopia to enable user accounts (of the emulator). So, different Nestopia accounts means separated savestates and stuff. Got it? Heck, it's NOT a matter of two (or more) instances of the program!

Absolutely great idea if you ask me.

yes , that's what I'm talking about...in other words , an option in Nestopia enables to have independent separate saved states for each user(Player) of the program.
I'm afraid that the emulator doesn't have this feaure.
BTW I'm making copies of ROMs theirselves to separate user stuff from another.

[koitsu]

Aside from the disk space aspect, why can't you set up two separate directories with separate Nestopia copies in them, and each of them has a separate nestopia.xml (sorry I've been saying nestopia.ini) file with a separate path for save games? Example:

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C:\Nestopia\User1\nestopia.exe   (and all the other DLLs/etc. required for it to run)
C:\Nestopia\User1\nestopia.xml   (with relevant paths set to C:\Nestopia\User1, ex. C:\Nestopia\User1\save)
C:\Nestopia\User2\nestopia.exe   (and all the other DLLs/etc. required for it to run)
C:\Nestopia\User2\nestopia.xml   (with relevant paths set to C:\Nestopia\User2, ex. C:\Nestopia\User2\save)

If the disk space is a concern, then use NTFS junctions (a.k.a. symlinks) to point the nestopia.exe (and other/related files, EXCEPT nestopia.xml!) to a central location (e.g. C:\Nestopia\nestopia.exe) while keeping the nestopia.xml files separate (per-user basis, since they'd need to refer to each unique user directory). -- Edit: Never mind, junctions only work on directories, not files, so this wouldn't work. You'll need a separate copy of Nestopia for every user like I described above (and you'd need this for the separate Windows account method described below too).

This isn't that much work, unless you have, say, a hundred people using a single computer. In which case, do what I said: make separate Windows accounts and then drop Nestopia and its stuff into the relevant %USERPROFILE% directories and set the paths in the .xml appropriately as well. It'll Just Work(tm) with no extra magic/nonsense then.

[ouso1999]

Aside from the disk space aspect, why can't you set up two separate directories with separate Nestopia copies in them, and each of them has a separate nestopia.xml (sorry I've been saying nestopia.ini) file with a separate path for save games? Example:

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C:\Nestopia\User1\nestopia.exe   (and all the other DLLs/etc. required for it to run)
C:\Nestopia\User1\nestopia.xml   (with relevant paths set to C:\Nestopia\User1, ex. C:\Nestopia\User1\save)
C:\Nestopia\User2\nestopia.exe   (and all the other DLLs/etc. required for it to run)
C:\Nestopia\User2\nestopia.xml   (with relevant paths set to C:\Nestopia\User2, ex. C:\Nestopia\User2\save)

If the disk space is a concern, then use NTFS junctions (a.k.a. symlinks) to point the nestopia.exe (and other/related files, EXCEPT nestopia.xml!) to a central location (e.g. C:\Nestopia\nestopia.exe) while keeping the nestopia.xml files separate (per-user basis, since they'd need to refer to each unique user directory). -- Edit: Never mind, junctions only work on directories, not files, so this wouldn't work. You'll need a separate copy of Nestopia for every user like I described above (and you'd need this for the separate Windows account method described below too).

This isn't that much work, unless you have, say, a hundred people using a single computer. In which case, do what I said: make separate Windows accounts and then drop Nestopia and its stuff into the relevant %USERPROFILE% directories and set the paths in the .xml appropriately as well. It'll Just Work(tm) with no extra magic/nonsense then.

Thanks but this idea had come into my mind before I post this thread , but I really wished this feature is in Nestopia so I posted this question here , but could u tell me what the purpose of "Launcher" in Nestopia is?

[zzo38]

Maybe you could also write a .cmd file which adjusts the save file paths and then start Nestopia from there?

[koitsu]

Thanks but this idea had come into my mind before I post this thread , but I really wished this feature is in Nestopia so I posted this question here , but could u tell me what the purpose of "Launcher" in Nestopia is?

I believe there is an official forum for Nestopia support, I'd advise asking there:

http://forums.bannister.org/ubbthreads. ... d=7&page=1

And I have not the slightest idea what the Launcher is for. It's not documented anywhere I can find.

I still do not feel this is the responsibility of an application/program however, but rather the responsibility of the OS to support proper multi-user capability. Meaning: Nestopia will work just fine if you did what I describe for two separate user accounts on Windows, with copies of Nestopia respectively copied into each persons' My Documents or Documents folder (or wherever else you want).

[tepples]

I still do not feel this is the responsibility of an application/program however, but rather the responsibility of the OS to support proper multi-user capability.

But is it the responsibility of the OS to allow adding a user account in under 60 seconds?

[koitsu]

I still do not feel this is the responsibility of an application/program however, but rather the responsibility of the OS to support proper multi-user capability.

But is it the responsibility of the OS to allow adding a user account in under 60 seconds?

Adding a user: net user username password /add
Adding a group: net localgroup "groupname" /add
Adding a user to a group: net localgroup "groupname" username /add

The hell is this, the Windows support group? Give me a break. :P