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Re: The SNES preservation project is now truly dead

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He's not doing that.
Please don't feed the troll. He's been going after me since I pointed out that I personally found "bad (ROM) hacks" tasteless.

The mods don't care that he's now harassing me in unrelated topics in retaliation, so it's best to just add him to your ignore list like I did.
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byuu wrote: The mods don't care that he's now harassing me in unrelated topics in retaliation, so it's best to just add him to your ignore list like I did.
...no I am not? Just because I disagreed with you in one thread doesn't make me a troll.
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Sverker wrote:I disagreed with you
with perhaps with a little more vigor than necessary? :?
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The word troll gets used way to often these days.
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Well, when you take a crappy situation and misrepresent it by using personal assumptions and opinions about what you see on the surface in the name of justifying why you don't care about something, what else does it make you? There's dissent and then there's being an asshole, and those two things are different.
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I'd bet $1000 that if I hadn't replied to that "bad hacks" thread (and I did so before this guy even showed up there), he wouldn't have said one word in this thread now.

For whatever reason, whenever I criticize something I don't like, even when I clearly express it's my personal opinion and people are welcome to their own opinions, it causes people to just decide to attach vendettas to me, and follow me around anywhere else I go, to stir up shit.

It happened with mudlord when I took a stance favoring accuracy over performance. It happened with I.S.T. when I took a stance on favoring game folders to separate file paths. With squarepusher because I said I don't like it when emulator forks reuse their parent project's name, plus a "better than" suffix, as he did. With Mooglyguy when I stated that I didn't care for notch's DCPU-16 design. And now we have Sverker because I don't like "bad hacks." I don't even know what in the holy fuck I did to kddlb (he won't tell anyone), but now he's openly cheering on Twitter and IRC about my loss of $10,000 worth of games.

I just seem to be a master at attracting people who harbor long-term grudges over relatively unimportant personal opinions.

It boggles my mind, because I've never done this to someone else. If I don't like your opinion, I state it in the relevant thread, and leave it there. The end. These people just take it to psychotic levels of obsession that are truly terrifying.

What is it about the way I say things that makes it so that I can't hold any kind of a strong opinion on anything? If there's some "manner of speaking" I can change, yet still express honestly how I feel about things, I'm all ears. I'd be happy to change and avoid this sort of mess in the future.
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It sucks that you lost that amount of money,cheering that you lost that is ridiculous.
byuu wrote: What is it about the way I say things that makes it so that I can't hold any kind of a strong opinion on anything? If there's some "manner of speaking" I can change, yet still express honestly how I feel about things, I'm all ears. I'd be happy to change and avoid this sort of mess in the future.
That's it though,if you're strongly opinionated you have to expected the same from the opposite side you can't change that it's what makes you...well you.
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Wow, this is getting ridiculous.

Drag: I didn't claim anything that hasn't already been posted on the multitude of gaming news sites and forums that are talking about this incident. I'm not trying to prove that I "don't care," wherever you got that impression from, I was saying that this situation could have been handled much better.

Byuu: We had an argument in another thread where you said bad hacks were ruining the good reputation of rom hacking. I countered that rom hacking never had a good reputation to speak of. Then you bowed out of the argument after completely misconstruing what I said and insulting me. Anything beyond that is entirely in your head, including these "harassing messages" that I don't seem to remember making. Sure, I have diminished respect for you after you called me a pro-aids neo nazi (whatever that means) and insulted my intelligence, but who in my shoes wouldn't? Judging by the other examples of "vendettas" you posted it seems like you simply have trouble with having people disagree with you. I don't see how having an argument with you in the past bars me from giving my input on this situation, but if that's the case I'll step away from this thread.
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Sverker wrote:nazi
At the moment you're just posting about personal disputes that happened elsewhere. Your misrepresentation of the situation and aggressive judgement on this matter have not been constructive so far. If you have meaningful input on the future direction of this project I'd suggest you share that rather than bicker about whether or not you have a grudge, and whether what's already happened should have happened differently.

I for one hope this work is completed somehow.
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What were the original intentions of Byuu, something like BootGod's site?

Althouth it's not totally correct to accuse someone without proof, I think I understand how pissed off Byuu was/is.
Other than that, that seems the most logic reason to the package disappearing. There's no proof of it right now, but I trust in Byuu's instincts.
Sometimes it's just it what you have to try explain what happened...

But for now I think the focus should be on trying to recover the lost contents of the package (if possible) and find the guilty later.
What I'm going to ask is probably sort of insane, but, could Byuu please try to calm down and think the most clear way possible?
Maybe a lawyer could be of some help in this case.

Hope this problem get solved soon, on the best possible way!
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Very similar to BootGod's site, yes.

See: https://byuu.org/emulation/preservation/lost-package/

Specifically, these sections:
* What do you mean by preservation?
* Aren't there already ROM dumps out there of every SNES game?
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Well, your site explains everything.
You also seem to be really calm and thinking clearly.
I really can't do anything to help other than wish you the best.
So I'll just keep watching and wishing this ends fine and the preservation continues.
Oh, and thanks for all the great work you've done!
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The hash is all that is necessary for others to confirm they have legitimate, bit-perfect copies of games.
First, there are many revisions of games that are undiscovered.
What if I have a hash that doesn't match any of yours, how can I tell whether I have a bad dump or an undiscovered revision?
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> What if I have a hash that doesn't match any of yours, how can I tell whether I have a bad dump or an undiscovered revision?

You can't. That's why I need to dump every known official cartridge for this to truly be successful.

In the mean time, the more carts I dump, the more likely I'll be able to spot good revisions. And the rest will just have to be treated as "may be good, may be bad", and given very permissive, inaccurate memory mappings.
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Wow! Great news! The package was found, after being lost in Atlanta for a month. Read all about it:
https://byuu.org/emulation/preservation/found-package/
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