It feels clunky and labored at that point though. Curse my performers nature, even in serious discussions I still think about what making it work on stage feels like.tepples wrote: Sat Jul 19, 2025 7:30 amEnglish has "someone" or "a person" followed by "they/them": "A person should be able to walk where they want."segaloco wrote: Thu Jul 17, 2025 3:28 pm I speak that way because our language has no distinction between speaking as "the generic individual" and as "the ego self". Yes, when I speak "I should be able to sleep wherever I want" or "I should be able to walk where I want" I don't mean I selfishly think me, myself, the singular being am entitled to this, but rather that I, as an example of "the generic individual" which we all qualify as.
Avoiding certain LLMs' output
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No no no your opinion isn't the problem here. You are entitled to voicing your opinion as much as you want and comparing it to Drag's opinion, but the problem was your attitude when doing it, then when Fiskbit pointed that out you played the "I'm really the victim" card which you obviously weren't.segaloco wrote: Fri Jul 18, 2025 8:25 am Pointing out that people have been reading words for a long time I don't see as an insult to anyone...
And please don't answer with "oh lord help the one who got ridiculed on the internet which only exists as electric signals and bla bla bla..." I know you only care for direct physical damage and discount any other type of damage, but that doesn't change the fact that other people are hurt by that carelessness.
So that's the problem here, I think you should think it through before people get really annoyed with you.
BTW I'm not annoyed with you as you didn't ridicule me but I think you should take Fiskbit's criticism seriously and I agree with him that this has been a reoccurring pattern. It's easy to get into a spiral of dismissing all criticism against yourself, and having to swallow some pride in order to get out of it isn't fun but may be necessary for self-improvement.
Oh that's a nice way to bring the thread back to topic which I feel still has potential to continue. This sounds useful, I hope this new trend of search engines may bring back a bit of the "good old internet".tepples wrote: Sat Jul 19, 2025 7:30 am DuckDuckGo is using uBlock Origin and other open-source blocklists to give users an option to reduce the output of diffusion image generators in search results. (Source: "DuckDuckGo now lets you hide AI-generated images in search results" by Aisha Malik) A user in Slashdot's comment section points out noai.duckduckgo.com, DDG's counterpart to Google's udm=14 that skips the LLM summary of search results as well.
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Meh, tone policing has been used to shut out contrary opinions since time immemorial. The prevailing culture decides upon "tone" so naturally anything contrary can be dismissed as lacking the proper tone. Duh, thats how opposition works. It just eats me up that the same society that is in control of resources and survival also sets the expectations for communication and tone. It's arbitrary, one grunt or another I use to express some abstract concept, codified as phonetic marks upon a screen, parchment, whatever. All of it is an artificial arbitrary limitation set on what is in physicality not so limited.Pokun wrote: Sat Jul 19, 2025 2:43 pmNo no no your opinion isn't the problem here. You are entitled to voicing your opinion as much as you want and comparing it to Drag's opinion, but the problem was your attitude when doing it, then when Fiskbit pointed that out you played the "I'm really the victim" card which you obviously weren't.segaloco wrote: Fri Jul 18, 2025 8:25 am Pointing out that people have been reading words for a long time I don't see as an insult to anyone...
And please don't answer with "oh lord help the one who got ridiculed on the internet which only exists as electric signals and bla bla bla..." I know you only care for direct physical damage and discount any other type of damage, but that doesn't change the fact that other people are hurt by that carelessness.
Good tone or lack thereof doesn't feed one in a crisis. To also try and speak to the topic at hand neither does some LLM crap. In a true collapse who cares what the computers can do.
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A change of tone shouldn't affect your ability to state your opinion. So please don't accuse me of trying to silence your opinion when I'm obviously not. You can state whatever opinion you want as long as you don't make fun of people when doing it.
I'll just hope that this got you thinking about it at least.
I'll just hope that this got you thinking about it at least.