Zelda?

evildragon · Post by **evildragon** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:24 pm

This game seems like Zelda, smells like Zelda, and looks like Zelda.

Is this the japanese Zelda?

I saw this cartridge at the flea market today, it had no sticker, and had philips screws on the back instead of a game-bit..

But, to my surprise, was this non-saving Zelda.. I mean, it has you create a character, but when switched off, it doesn't actually save, and I have to start over again...

Here's a pic of it running...

http://blackevilweredragon.spymac.com/zelda.jpg

Oh, and to play this game, I did have to disable my 10NES...

peppers · Post by **peppers** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:43 pm

yes that is zelda

its a famicom cart correct?

if its an NES cart its probubley a forgoten repro

to correct the save problem open it up check for a battery if it has one replace it

evildragon · Post by **evildragon** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:46 pm

peppers wrote:its a famicom cart correct?

if its an NES cart its probubley a forgoten repro

to correct the save problem open it up check for a bettery if it has one replace it

it's an NES cart, it just has no sticker (and looks like one was ripped off too)..

There is no battery on the circuit... The 10NES on the cartridge was de-soldered it seems, it's just not there, but can be...

the chips are EPROMs, with electrical tape over the window..

Seems like a poor mans flash cart..

peppers · Post by **peppers** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:58 pm

Strange why someone would go through extra effort to make there homemade cart extra shitty probubley a case of "derr famicom games dont have a lockout chip better lose it,"
, I would be mildly interested in seeing a photo
Any wram?

evildragon · Post by **evildragon** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:05 pm

peppers wrote:Strange why someone would go through extra effort to make there homemade cart extra shitty, I would be mildly interested in seeing a photo
Any wram?

I'm wondering if perhaps the person got the PCB empty or something, and just built it from scratch.

WRAM? I don't think so. It just has two EPROMs, and that's it..

Instead of taking another pic (camera is charging at the moment), this is EXACTLY what the PCB looks like, it just lacks the smaller 10NES chip on the right: http://games.multimedia.cx/wp-content/u ... s-nrom.jpg
(well, not exactly like that, but close enough...)

In the two ROMs spots are 2 EPROMs...

kyuusaku · Post by **kyuusaku** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:27 pm

That's not right, Zelda no Densetsu 1 is a MMC1 game with CHR RAM. It can be converted to UOROM but definitely not NROM. There must be one ROM and one RAM.

evildragon · Post by **evildragon** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:51 pm

kyuusaku wrote:That's not right, Zelda no Densetsu 1 is a MMC1 game with CHR RAM. It can be converted to UOROM but definitely not NROM. There must be one ROM and one RAM.

Like I said, it's not exactly like that in the picture.

I just ripped the electrical tape off both chips (it was 1 long piece of tape), 1 is an EEPROM, the other is a chip labled W2464, and does not appear to be an EEPROM, or if it is, it's gotta be an EEPROM, because it doesn't have a window like the other one...

btw, entering the first dungeon locks up the NES.. it does show the dungeon, but when the music should play, it just locks up...

atari2600a · Post by **atari2600a** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:52 pm

I was unaware they made cart binaries of this game. (or is it a hack?)

EDIT: If I recall correctly, on the FDS version there's a loading screen when entering dungeons. Maybe an unfinished hack?)

kyuusaku · Post by **kyuusaku** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:32 pm

evildragon wrote: I just ripped the electrical tape off both chips (it was 1 long piece of tape), 1 is an EEPROM, the other is a chip labled W2464, and does not appear to be an EEPROM, or if it is, it's gotta be an EEPROM, because it doesn't have a window like the other one...

Huh? EEPROM don't have windows, EPROM do. BTW, there are OTP (one time programmable) EPROMs which are windowless.

evildragon wrote: btw, entering the first dungeon locks up the NES.. it does show the dungeon, but when the music should play, it just locks up...

If the game is broken salvage the EEPROM (if it is a EEPROM), they aren't cheap.

atari2600a wrote:I was unaware they made cart binaries of this game. (or is it a hack?)

EDIT: If I recall correctly, on the FDS version there's a loading screen when entering dungeons. Maybe an unfinished hack?)

This is a genuine cartridge release to coincide with the launch of the AV Famicom in 1993. It's more or less a translation of Zelda back to Japanese.

evildragon · Post by **evildragon** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:35 pm

kyuusaku wrote:
evildragon wrote: I just ripped the electrical tape off both chips (it was 1 long piece of tape), 1 is an EEPROM, the other is a chip labled W2464, and does not appear to be an EEPROM, or if it is, it's gotta be an EEPROM, because it doesn't have a window like the other one...
Huh? EEPROM don't have windows, EPROM do. BTW, there are OTP (one time programmable) EPROMs which are windowless.

evildragon wrote: btw, entering the first dungeon locks up the NES.. it does show the dungeon, but when the music should play, it just locks up...
If the game is broken salvage the EEPROM (if it is a EEPROM), they aren't cheap.

I accidentally had 1 too many E's

I had my new PC motherboard on my mind, as I was today messing with it's bad BIOS... So I had flash in my mind, which I call EEPROM..

It's an EPROM, the window one that needs UV light to erase, of which I have no UV light...

Bregalad · Post by **Bregalad** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:03 am

Where did you get that cartridge ?
Is the PCM made by Nintendo (is there a (C) xxxx Nintendo on it) ? If so what is it's name (starting by NES-xxxx) ? The cartridge should be dirty pirate anyway (if the cartridge exists at all).

atari2600a · Post by **atari2600a** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:07 am

kyuusaku wrote:This is a genuine cartridge release to coincide with the launch of the AV Famicom in 1993. It's more or less a translation of Zelda back to Japanese.

Ah yes, now I remember watching the AV Famicom commercial on gameads.gamepressure.com, Zelda was one of the characters that jumped into the unit!

Anywho, though one possibility that comes to mind is that this was an early prototype from NOA when porting the game over, the fact that the 10NES was DEsoldered(?) leaves me to believe that this is a failed fan repro.

Evildragon, is there any possibility you can dump the PRG, assuming that CHR is RAM?

Also, remember to put tape back over the EPROM window when you take a picture

peppers · Post by **peppers** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:46 am

it is possiple ithe freezing is caused because the board dose not have any S-RAM I know its just used for gamesaves

Jeroen · Post by **Jeroen** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:10 am

No s-ram makes it crash sooner I believe. (looks at kevtris fpga console progress page)

evildragon · Post by **evildragon** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:15 am

I don't know how to dump the ROM on it... I know how to dump a Genesis cartridge, but not an NES cartridge.. I just found that there is a binary cartridge NES rom floating around of this game..

The PCB btw says "NES-SGROM-04"