You don't need any of that if your body can't have air and water. I didn't say life would be the same without oil and gas, it would certainly be different, but while there's water and air there will at least be life.Jeroen wrote:^^yeah cause we definitly don't need plastics and have plenty of other fuel sources.
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Well yeah what you need is pure air, clean water and decent food in order to matain life. Easy acess to common drinkable water and comfortable toilets is a huge plus. I however really wish the humanity could deal with only renewable sources of energy, so that it can go on forever without returning to a new stone age. But I'd say a new stone age may be better than the end of all humanity - but still I wouldn't be happy about both.
Useless, lumbering half-wits don't scare us.
We all know there are alternative fuels and there are materials close to petroleum based plastics. If all the oil where to mysteriously dissapear tomorrow I believe we would be back on track (but not exactly where we where) in less than 5 years. (I would really miss vaseline 
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We would probably be better off in the long run as certain crazy organizations based in the middle east would lose there power and it would probably result on more income coming into the USA.
Naturally since oil is not going to dissapear tomorrow we ain't gonna stop using huge amounts of it till we really do run out.
)We would probably be better off in the long run as certain crazy organizations based in the middle east would lose there power and it would probably result on more income coming into the USA.
Naturally since oil is not going to dissapear tomorrow we ain't gonna stop using huge amounts of it till we really do run out.
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Well - all that matters to me is that all sources of energy the humanity uses will eventually become renewable so that technology can continue to exist for a much longer time - and that the air, water, fire and earth remains safe enough for humans and animals to survive.
Now as long as there will be sucky governments arround the world they will be problems. My country is supposely the 8th more democraty country in the world, and I can promise you guys its really not that much democratic at all. This makes it very frightening for the 159 countries which follows.
Now as long as there will be sucky governments arround the world they will be problems. My country is supposely the 8th more democraty country in the world, and I can promise you guys its really not that much democratic at all. This makes it very frightening for the 159 countries which follows.
Useless, lumbering half-wits don't scare us.
Really a democracy is suppose to be based on popular opinion and even if that where the case the popular plan is not usually the best idea. Especially when you take into consideration how easy it is to control what the masses think. Although since people are people any other system would just result in even greater corruption.</state obvious>
Oh, a complete switch to renewable sources of energy (apart from the odd little emission here or there) is going to have to happen a lot sooner than that. In fact, the question is no longer preventing harm to the biosphere or humanity itself, but reducing it.Bregalad wrote:Well - all that matters to me is that all sources of energy the humanity uses will eventually become renewable so that technology can continue to exist for a much longer time - and that the air, water, fire and earth remains safe enough for humans and animals to survive.
Yes, the governments do not even take it seriously. They care about SLOWING the GROWTH of emissions, purely as a political gesture, when, for the sake of the continuation of diverse life on this planet, carbon emissions need to be even less than they were 30-40 years ago. Well, actually, the governments of island nations like the Maldives care about global warming, since their existence is endangered.Now as long as there will be sucky governments around the world they will be problems.
It's not just the environment, though. Due to the current global economy's exploitation of developing countries, most of the world's industry has a direct human cost as well. Profit tends to win out over ideas of universal human rights and dignity. One noteworthy example is the general dependence upon 'conflict minerals' from the Congo for the cheap production of today's gadgets.
http://sitemaker.umich.edu/section002gr ... _the_congo
Not a pretty picture, but one that would be solvable if the international community actually cared. But, again, they care about easy and cheap trade, and there is no real accountability. Business is business. It's been said that there is now more slavery in the world than ever.
Sorry, I live in a country (United States) where a lot of people just want to keep consuming and not think about any of this. It's frustrating...I definitely agree there. If you've seen the growth curve over time, it has literally skyrocketed in the past few centuries. And yet the far right are worried that gays will end the human race due to no more reproduction.Rid wrote:3 times more births than death is really a problem. I think this is the most frightening stat of all the page.
On the "bright" side, our entire economic system, based on usury, relies on exponential growth of the population (and thus, of consumption) as well; on a planet with finite resources.