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Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 4:40 pm
by lilou
I am surprised by answer, rather hard but good I have succeeds thank you marvelus10 and blargg for the other , if it to annoy you simply not answer.

But risk you to make quite a lot of people run away with of such reactions, tell your opinion once all right ,make 3 post it is too much!

Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:59 pm
by blargg
lilou, don't worry, this was an issue that was primed to explode the next time someone posted something like you did. It's not your doing :)

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:57 am
by lilou
ok thank you,


i play the game the last night but i have some glitch may be my 50 hz nes ?

it's posible to make the game run 60hz to 50 hz ?

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:30 pm
by tcaudilllg
lilou wrote:I am surprised by answer, rather hard but good I have succeeds thank you marvelus10 and blargg for the other , if it to annoy you simply not answer.

But risk you to make quite a lot of people run away with of such reactions, tell your opinion once all right ,make 3 post it is too much!
Gee I wonder how many more games you'll want to reproduce so that you can play them "on your TV", when you could just buy the PowerPak and never have to reproduce any of them.

Seems like doing the way you're doing it will eventually run into a bunch of money -- unless...

:P

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:04 pm
by Bregalad
It wasn't only you who is annoying, but the large mass of people who comes to ask questions similar to yours, when this have few to do with NESdev, but more with illegally faking cartridges.

As blarg says, the next one that was asking a similar thing was doomed. However, chances are that this will continue to happen again and again. What should I do then ? Ignore the post... I guess it's the best option.

I can't stress it enough that it's a BAD idea to help people to make fake cartridges, as this serves no purpose (if they can't buy the original they can play on emus or on the powerpak, illegaly for sure but without annoying anyone nor making this forum filled with illegal stuff), and people could illegally sell them for a lot of profit (not that all of them will, but at least a couple of people already did that)

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:32 am
by lilou
@bregalad

ok but can you tell me why you making an path for ff to run 50 hz ?

if it's not for making your card ?

if you want to play ff you can play it on emu not?

http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/455/

i admit you want to play it on nes why not for me ?

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:05 am
by 3gengames
lilou wrote:@bregalad
ok but can you tell me why you making an path for ff to run 50 hz ?
If I am reading through some typo's. I'd assume it's are you making a patch, but I just want to say NTSC games will work on PAL TV's, sometimes not the other way around, though.

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:27 am
by tokumaru
3gengames wrote:If I am reading through some typo's. I'd assume it's are you making a patch, but I just want to say NTSC games will work on PAL TV's, sometimes not the other way around, though.
Unless the games use hardcoded timed code, in which case they need to be converted.

Anyway, I think lilou was trying to confront Bregalad, saying that since he made a PAL patch that meant he also wanted to put the game on a cartridge, so why can he do it but not others?

I don't even know if Bregalad did make this patch, but he could just argue that he did it so that people living in PAL regions could play the game without glitches on a PowerPak for example, not necessarily make carts.

I think that this crappy discussion is going nowhere.

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:58 pm
by Bregalad
Yeah exactly I made this patch to play with the Power Pak, although of course it could also work on fake cartridges as well.

Also I was more opposed to people asking howto do fake cartridge than fake cartridges themselves.

I wasn't opposed to it until I figured that there were really TOO much people that came on Nesdev JUST for that.

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:53 pm
by horseboy
Bregalad wrote:Yeah exactly I made this patch to play with the Power Pak, although of course it could also work on fake cartridges as well.

Also I was more opposed to people asking howto do fake cartridge than fake cartridges themselves.

I wasn't opposed to it until I figured that there were really TOO much people that came on Nesdev JUST for that.
Almost nothing in the Hardware and Flash Equipment section is NES dev related. There is like one topic on the first page of this section that has anything remotely to do with develeping for the NES. The biggest topic in this section is about what games do and don't work well with the powerpak. What does that have to do with NES dev? Nothing. If you are going to gripe so much about the "fake" cartridge questions then you should be all over any powerpak topic that doesn't have to do with a homebrew game.

This website (which is a great resource of all things NES) has not only info actually developing NES programs, but tons of other stuff like harware info. Much of that info has nothing to do with NES dev. The forum section title itself should let you know that there is going to be minimal NES development talk in here, so it really shouldn't bother you so much. This website is the best resource on the internet for information about putting a game on real cartridge, so I think it is extremely fitting that these types of questions are posted here. Also, there have only been 25 threads that have been created or had any activity this entire month, so it isn't like these threads are taking away anything from any other threads.

As for the whole "fake" cartridge thing... I find your point of view on it to be a bit silly. "Fake" implies that you are trying trick someone into thinking it is the real thing. The vast majority of the these questions have to do with games that never really even existed. Most of the games are prototypes or translations. The people that actually want these games know exactly what they are getting. Aside from a couple of examples people faking Stadium Events everybody I have seen making and selling repro NES games have been on the up and up. I can understand not helping someone repro a game that actually exists, but the repros that we are talking about here are totally harmless. There is absolutely nothing worse about playing one of these games on a repro cart than playing it on a powerpak. A lot of people want an actual cartridge with a pretty label to play with. Some people collect games and want a real copy for their collection. These "fake" games are not as evil as you seem to think.

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:11 pm
by 3gengames
I think the reason you imply that the hardware info and such isn't for development is because nobody talks about it. I would think that this is because everyone who uses it doesn't need help and is already skilled in the section enough where they can just go along with the info themselves without much help. ;) Just a guess though.

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:10 am
by horseboy
NES console mods have nothing to do with NES development. Playing games released games on a powerpak have nothing to do with NES development. Almost nothing in this section has to do with development. Of course hardware is related to development of new games, but the hardware is what it is. It isn't going to change. The vast majority of discussion on the subject of hardware has nothing to do with development.

All I am saying is that there is no harm in discussing repros in this section. It is appropriate as this site is the main source for info regarding the subject at hand. Even if it were off topic it wouldn't be much of a problem considering the small amount of activity that this forum section has in the first place.

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:56 am
by TKO
Some people like myself come here looking for help because we want game on real cart not just rom on flashcard or PC emulator. I can play NES rom on NDS flashcard with GC GBA adaptor on my TV alright but that is not the point. The point is I want to have physical carts and display them on my shelf , hidden utility stuff. It has nothing to do with how much you can make per hour.

Also in my case , I cann't even find a site that will make me a famicom cart. :/

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:43 am
by tepples
horseboy wrote:Of course hardware is related to development of new games, but the hardware is what it is. It isn't going to change.
Until Memblers or someone else comes up with a cool new CPLD mapper.

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:20 pm
by Bregalad
Some people like myself come here looking for help because we want game on real cart not just rom on flashcard or PC emulator.
Once more again, I don't have ANY problem with this if it is your ROM, and if this is not for sale.
Almost nothing in the Hardware and Flash Equipment section is NES dev related. There is like one topic on the first page of this section that has anything remotely to do with develeping for the NES. The biggest topic in this section is about what games do and don't work well with the powerpak. What does that have to do with NES dev? Nothing.
It seems you are taking a sarcastic tone to oppose me. Of course it is related to NES development to know what mappers are correctly emulated on the power pak. The inner working of mappper is also realated to nes development.
just an example, I won't commant your whole furious posts because I don't feel like it.