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Do we happen to have "official" forum rules regarding this issue? Would something like "We don't do reproductions here - use a PowerPak" correctly express our community's view on this issue? Or are we blowing this out of proportion? I've been on this board for 10 years, and really this hasn't been an issue until recently - maybe it will go away.

teaguecl wrote:Or are we blowing this out of proportion?

That one. A minority have decided it is now a problem and would rather be hostile instead of helping, or even just ignoring it.

Yeah, I don't see the problem. If people want to build a cart of whatever, good for them. If they sell it to someone who knows what it is, there is no crime (unless it's done as a profitable copyright violation, but apparently that's not enforced with NES stuff). This isn't mass production (the ones who can/will do mass production for profit, surely will not need to ask how!). If someone wants to sell a cart to someone in an attempt to defraud them, then they are in for a world of shit. At least in the US, if you mailed it, that is mail fraud. That's federal law, with very harsh punishment. Whatever consequences there are for breaking a rule on a forum, it's pretty much nothing compared to that. Or compared to statutory copyright damages (which is not our job to enforce, at least not until the corporate government sponsors change the law again..).

That one. A minority have decided it is now a problem and would rather be hostile instead of helping, or even just ignoring it.

Your insistance on bashing me and trying to make people belive the black market is my invention make me think you might be a guy who actually is a lot into that black market and that you are trying to get the NESdev communauty on your side so you could ask things to us and make profit on it.

Bregalad wrote:

That one. A minority have decided it is now a problem and would rather be hostile instead of helping, or even just ignoring it.

Your insistance on bashing me and trying to make people belive the black market is my invention make me think you might be a guy who actually is a lot into that black market and that you are trying to get the NESdev communauty on your side so you could ask things to us and make profit on it.

I don't think that he's bashing you. He's not being rude. IMHO, it is an honest assessment.

Guys and Gals, have we beaten this issue enough? It seems to me that the nesdev community (as a whole) is only really opposed to individuals attempting to make fake carts to swindle others with. Everything else is a bit gray. Can we just leave it at that and get back to coding?

Bregalad wrote: Your insistance on bashing me and trying to make people belive the black market is my invention

The "black market" has been around more than a decade, and possibly older than all of the NesDev site/boards. Your invention is the idea that everyone asking wiring questions is trying to scam someone. Except you can't even point to a single person here who has done that. With how much of a massive problem you believe it to be that should be simple.

Bregalad wrote:you might be a guy who actually is a lot into that black market and that you are trying to get the NESdev communauty on your side so you could ask things to us and make profit on it.

But I haven't sold anything, haven't asked any reproduction related questions, and never expect to build any hardware at all (my brazing torch would fry boards!) However if you ever notice I am trying to rip people off it would be the first and only example of your ideas!

It may just be a translation issue, but that last part once again sounds like you are simply against profits.

Memblers wrote:Yeah, I don't see the problem. If people want to build a cart of whatever, good for them. If they sell it to someone who knows what it is, there is no crime (unless it's done as a profitable copyright violation, but apparently that's not enforced with NES stuff). This isn't mass production (the ones who can/will do mass production for profit, surely will not need to ask how!). If someone wants to sell a cart to someone in an attempt to defraud them, then they are in for a world of shit. At least in the US, if you mailed it, that is mail fraud. That's federal law, with very harsh punishment. Whatever consequences there are for breaking a rule on a forum, it's pretty much nothing compared to that. Or compared to statutory copyright damages (which is not our job to enforce, at least not until the corporate government sponsors change the law again..).

Well there you go. Seems like the discussion is over. You are entitled to your opinion Bregalad, however insane it might seem. I suggest you just pretend like these topics don't exist.

horseboy wrote:

Memblers wrote:Yeah, I don't see the problem. If people want to build a cart of whatever, good for them. If they sell it to someone who knows what it is, there is no crime (unless it's done as a profitable copyright violation, but apparently that's not enforced with NES stuff). This isn't mass production (the ones who can/will do mass production for profit, surely will not need to ask how!). If someone wants to sell a cart to someone in an attempt to defraud them, then they are in for a world of shit. At least in the US, if you mailed it, that is mail fraud. That's federal law, with very harsh punishment. Whatever consequences there are for breaking a rule on a forum, it's pretty much nothing compared to that. Or compared to statutory copyright damages (which is not our job to enforce, at least not until the corporate government sponsors change the law again..).

Well there you go. Seems like the discussion is over. You are entitled to your opinion Bregalad, however insane it might seem. I suggest you just pretend like these topics don't exist.

Insane? No, it's the truth. It is against the law to scam people like happens.

3gengames wrote:

horseboy wrote:

Memblers wrote:Yeah, I don't see the problem. If people want to build a cart of whatever, good for them. If they sell it to someone who knows what it is, there is no crime (unless it's done as a profitable copyright violation, but apparently that's not enforced with NES stuff). This isn't mass production (the ones who can/will do mass production for profit, surely will not need to ask how!). If someone wants to sell a cart to someone in an attempt to defraud them, then they are in for a world of shit. At least in the US, if you mailed it, that is mail fraud. That's federal law, with very harsh punishment. Whatever consequences there are for breaking a rule on a forum, it's pretty much nothing compared to that. Or compared to statutory copyright damages (which is not our job to enforce, at least not until the corporate government sponsors change the law again..).

Well there you go. Seems like the discussion is over. You are entitled to your opinion Bregalad, however insane it might seem. I suggest you just pretend like these topics don't exist.

Insane? No, it's the truth. It is against the law to scam people like happens.

Obviously scamming people is against the law. The point is that 99.9999% of repros being made are not for scamming people. They are for people to play and collect games that are not available any other way. It IS insane to think that everything going on with these repros are for scamming people. The only scamming attempt I have ever heard of was a fake Stadium Events. The people that buy these games know exactly what they are getting. Not to mention most of the people asking these questions aren't even selling the games. They are making them for themselves.

Like I quoted above, the site admin thinks it is just fine to ask these questions, so if you don't like it then just ignore it.

On a side note, the only thing you ever need to watch out for is Stadium Events. It is the only game worth faking. Nothing else sells for high enough to justify the expense of making a fake of high enough quality to deceive anyone. Everyone knows that any prototype or translated game is just reproduction and therefore cannot be tricked.

The point is that 99.9999% of repros being made are not for scamming people.

Where does that number come from ?

It IS insane to think that everything going on with these repros are for scamming people.

I meant everything *could* be scamming people, not that everything *was*.

The only scamming attempt I have ever heard of was a fake Stadium Events. The people that buy these games know exactly what they are getting. Not to mention most of the people asking these questions aren't even selling the games. They are making them for themselves.

Well, the fact that this particular case was discovered probably means that many others weren't. And I'm pretty sure other scams happened with Earthbound, and in that prototype pics thread I made, you see pics with regular boards, that I suspect to be fakes as well.

Like I quoted above, the site admin thinks it is just fine to ask these questions, so if you don't like it then just ignore it.

I guess I have no choice... hopefully this won't get Nesdev in trouble if Nintendo decides to chase counterfeits...

On a side note, the only thing you ever need to watch out for is Stadium Events. It is the only game worth faking. Nothing else sells for high enough to justify the expense of making a fake of high enough quality to deceive anyone. Everyone knows that any prototype or translated game is just reproduction and therefore cannot be tricked.

Final Fantasy 1, 2, 3, Dragon Warrior 2,3,4, Earthbound, Crystalis, maybe some others games are valuable enough...

Collectors wants to collect true games, not illegal repros.

Wow this is pathetic.

I think I'm going to go make some pancakes, hopefully aunt Jamima doesn't get upset with me using No-Name brand syrup seen as its the same recipe and flavor as hers.

Someone needs a time out. Opinions are just opinions, but this is immature and unproductive.

I recommend pure maple syrup instead of "pancacke syrup". maple = yummy.


Today is my birthday. Tonight my wife is making chocolate chip pancakes for me. mmmm, I can't wait. My pancreas is already crying.

Dudes , if Nintendo decides to chase counterfeits on 30 years old system , Powerpak will be the first thing that get in trouble as what happened to Bung Enterprise back in 90s regarding SFC copiers and other stuffs.

Disney, another company associated in consumers' minds with children's entertainment, manages to convince the United States Congress to change the rules so that Disney can go after 75-year-old short films.

Historically Nintendo has only gone after current gen equipment. Bung in the 90s was current gen. The PowerPak is not. There are far bigger targets in the DS flash cart market, and repro makers would be a much easier case. With the PowerPak having no Nintendo copyrights/trademarks/patents (except debatably the Ciclone) it is not a simple thing to shut down.