Is blargg around?

ibeenew2 · Post by **ibeenew2** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:07 am

Bregalad wrote:or is it I who am the problem ?

Of course you and your constant bitching about repros/money/profits was the problem for him and others. That should be obvious from the other thread where you started attacking him for just trying to discuss it.

Bregalad · Post by **Bregalad** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:19 am

So HE left because I have issues with those things ?? Makes no sense but if that's what he wants let him be.

This one ONE argument and I hardly remember it today actually. All I wanted is avoid NESdev supporting people who scam others, and it ended up a big argument. "constant bitching ?" Really he makes a big mess about any little thing but if that's what he wants free to him.

marvelus10 · Post by **marvelus10** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:49 am

Yes I am double posting, but only because I strongly believe this is a serious issue for many and it needs to be addressed before we implode a brilliant site and we all lose out. (posted to thread that resulted in a great asset to our community leaving)

The unfortunate reality of the internet is, we will always have people looking for an easy way out looking for someone willing to do the work for them. Even if there was a wiki or visual site dedicated to reproducing carts from cannibalized donors we would still have people come and ask I soldered A-B and never got C what did I do wrong.
So if we had that visual instruction site with detailed pictures and instructions for the lazy (maybe cut out any theory but add a troubleshooting guide) then there would be sufficient reason for a Mod to lock a thread at the instant the questions are asked and a referral to said instruction page.
As for those who whine bitch and condemn those who come here for help on touchy subjects, quit wasting your time energy and sanity on these people and put your minds together and create this instruction site to rid yourselves of this annoyance.

Post by **tepples** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:55 am

Bregalad wrote:So HE left because I have issues with those things ??

I'm guessing he left because he perceived you as so vocal and abrasive about those things.

Bregalad · Post by **Bregalad** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:24 am

As for those who whine bitch and condemn those who come here for help on touchy subjects, quit wasting your time energy and sanity on these people

In case you haven't noticed that's exactly what I did.

marvelus10 · Post by **marvelus10** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:48 pm

Bregalad wrote:
As for those who whine bitch and condemn those who come here for help on touchy subjects, quit wasting your time energy and sanity on these people
In case you haven't noticed that's exactly what I did.

Maybe so, but you were not the direct target of my rant.

So I will use this as an "example" not attack to you, this reply you made could come across as being somewhat abrasive and being that your name was not mentioned in my rant can be interpreted in a negative way.

We all have our opinions on all matters, maybe we can use this as an example of when to silence our opinion and just tolerate that its out of our control. I'm sure it would cut a huge percent of the negativity we see corroding our forums. Some of the people here just need to practice a little self control.

We also have to understand that our forums are international and some things are lost in translation including the context of what we say. We may think we are contributing by voicing our opinion, but a couple of misused words or grammar is interpreted as an attack.

Peace Love and NES

tokumaru · Post by **tokumaru** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:24 pm

I agree with whoever said that the best policy against threads about subjects you oppose is to just ignore them. I don't always do this, but I'm trying and I think I'm getting better at it.

koitsu · Post by **koitsu** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:24 pm

ibeenew2 wrote:
Bregalad wrote:or is it I who am the problem ?
Of course you and your constant bitching about repros/money/profits was the problem for him and others. That should be obvious from the other thread where you started attacking him for just trying to discuss it.

This is not entirely accurate (nor fair). There are other reasons/aspects too which have nothing to do with Bregalad. The only person here who knows what those are is me, since I've been in contact with blargg.

I would love to provide more details of the problems, but cannot out of respect for blargg (same for anyone else on this forum, just for the record; I don't want to sound like I'm giving blargg special treatment or something).

This situation should not result in a witch-hunt.

UncleSporky · Post by **UncleSporky** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:28 pm

Bregalad wrote:
As for those who whine bitch and condemn those who come here for help on touchy subjects, quit wasting your time energy and sanity on these people
In case you haven't noticed that's exactly what I did.

The first part, or the second part?

I don't want to try to drive anyone away either, but from my perspective I think you have been the source of some of the negativity. Don't take that the wrong way, I'm not telling you to leave or shut up or anything. You make great contributions all the time. I just notice that when negative things are said that you have often been involved in the past (for whatever that's worth, on this relatively slow moving board). Sometimes I read the things you post directed at others and I just think "geez, who cares, let the guy do whatever he wants."

I hope this doesn't lead to ganging up on Bregalad or anything, just what I've seen at times.

tokumaru wrote:I agree with whoever said that the best policy against threads about subjects you oppose is to just ignore them. I don't always do this, but I'm trying and I think I'm getting better at it.

Yes, this is the best policy. If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. And there is also a difference between mean statements and polite criticism (which I am trying to attempt here).

I really do like this forum and everybody on it, and don't understand how these big misunderstandings can happen. Most of the time nobody's being unfair/overly critical.

Zepper · Post by **Zepper** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:52 pm

Good times when we had a mailing list. I remember of receiving a new noise channel info by matt conte, or even a new mapper document by Mark Knibbs. Awesome times.... awesome. What do we have now? Nothing, but destructive feedback and/or no feedback at all! Just look at my discussion regarding a test suite: nobody ever could shot a word or two.

Anyway, I believe the problem isn't blargg. Different opinions I'd say. Unfortunately, a few members seems to enjoy the "rightness of its ego" and fires without mercy.

koitsu · Post by **koitsu** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:59 pm

Zepper wrote:Good times when we had a mailing list. ... What do we have now? ...

The percentage of arguments/disagreements/drama is directly proportional to how easy it is for the masses to participate in a discussion, compounded by the number of people participating. The old nesdev (and SNESdev, for those who remember it -- guys like myself, Gau, Charles Doty, Donald Moore (MindRape), and many others whose names I've sadly forgotten) mailing lists had fewer participants.

Email lists, generally speaking, have a higher signal-to-noise ratio (e.g. more signal than noise), while public Web forums have a lower SNR. This isn't always the case (look at the NANOG mailing list sometime -- practically every thread is an argument), but generally speaking it's true. The reason being: people consider Email more personal (less anonymous), and there's a sense of professionalism when it comes to mailing list participation. What you say in Email can actually come back to haunt you (professionally) in many cases. A web forum offers an easier-to-achieve level of anonymity.

IRC is equivalent to a web forum (and in some regards much worse). #snes on EFnet still exists, though I don't recognise 90% of the inhabitants.

The younger generation (born post-1988) tend to prefer web-based everything. Hello Geocities and MySpace.

There are trolls on all mediums (IRC being the worst of the bunch) so I'm excluding those -- and those generally aren't a problem here anyway, nor are they part of the reason for blargg not returning here.

Ian A · Post by **Ian A** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:38 pm

It's sad when a useful thread turns into a freak out (like I thought this one was going to...) and sadder still when we lose a valuable member of the community.

At least we can (hopefully) learn from this. I will definitely try to.

strat · Post by **strat** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:25 pm

Koitsu: Did Blargg mention people who do stupid things while asking for help? Because one time I pissed him by posting some code and constantly editing it, among other things (Look at my posts from august last year if you really have to see it).

Bregalad · Post by **Bregalad** » Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:46 pm

marvelus10 wrote: We all have our opinions on all matters, maybe we can use this as an example of when to silence our opinion and just tolerate that its out of our control. I'm sure it would cut a huge percent of the negativity we see corroding our forums. Some of the people here just need to practice a little self control.

We also have to understand that our forums are international and some things are lost in translation including the context of what we say. We may think we are contributing by voicing our opinion, but a couple of misused words or grammar is interpreted as an attack.

Well said. For an example of the latter, I once told a guy to "go away" instead of "go ahead". For me it was the same, and I wondered why he was angry

But I evenutally got my mistake and apologized. It's not always easy to talk in another language you know.

Email lists, generally speaking, have a higher signal-to-noise ratio (e.g. more signal than noise), while public Web forums have a lower SNR.

LOOOOL !!

koitsu · Post by **koitsu** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:06 am

strat wrote:Koitsu: Did Blargg mention people who do stupid things while asking for help? Because one time I pissed him by posting some code and constantly editing it, among other things (Look at my posts from august last year if you really have to see it).

No. He and I discussed primarily 3 reasons, and two (well more like 1.5) of those are focused around this forum. They aren't necessarily focused on individuals. What I took away from our discussion is that the moderation here need to be improved, or at least refined. That doesn't equate to "more rules", it equates to "when problems occur, try to get to the root of them and solve the issue" (vs. just banning people).

I think the latter relates to what tepples has applied for quite some time, which is basically sticking to what the Parodius Policy Rulebook goes over, with the (IMHO positive) addition of don't be a dick.

I'm a continual violator of the latter (which is why I come off sounding stern most of the time :-) ), but as I've gotten older (health problems, personal issues, you name it -- real life stuff) I've resorted to the I can't be bothered form of thought. Don't worry, I still rant/rave daily. ;-)