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Can I Dump famicom carts by famicom copiers?
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:11 am
by ouso1999
I wonder if i could dump famicom multi cart by famicom copier.i found at a site , that it could be.
and what are the names of these copiers?
this is my console
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:10 pm
by MottZilla
No, you can't. Famicom "copiers" don't copy cartridges. They play special Famicom Diskettes which contain hacked ROMs (which are not widely available on the internet) for running on the Copier hardware.
To dump a random unlicensed Famicom cartridge you will need something like the CopyNES as well as the skills to reverse engineer the mapper hardware of the cartridge.
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:40 pm
by tepples
MottZilla wrote:Famicom "copiers" [...] play special Famicom Diskettes
So not unlike a primitive version of the PowerPak, I'd guess.
To dump a random unlicensed Famicom cartridge you will need something like the CopyNES
That or a Kazzo. Or a Famicom copier to start a tape dump program to send the ROM data over the audio port.
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:49 pm
by MottZilla
Sort of, ofcourse the mappers aren't emulated by a FPGA. All games that aren't simple discrete mappers are hacked to the Copier's MMC hardware. But that's a non-issue when the pirates sell you the copier and the pre-hacked games since you cannot copy games yourself. Although these copiers do generally allow for copying Famicom Disk System games with the right software.
Makes me wonder if similar to TapeDump if you could make a NES program to dump a FDS disk in the same way.
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:20 am
by ouso1999
MottZilla wrote:Sort of, ofcourse the mappers aren't emulated by a FPGA. All games that aren't simple discrete mappers are hacked to the Copier's MMC hardware. But that's a non-issue when the pirates sell you the copier and the pre-hacked games since you cannot copy games yourself. Although these copiers do generally allow for copying Famicom Disk System games with the right software.
Makes me wonder if similar to TapeDump if you could make a NES program to dump a FDS disk in the same way.
by copiers u can dump genesis and snes games , but famicom i found an image includes some options and one of them is "Copy file"
this is Venus Turbo Game Doctor 6+
do u c the cartridge open?so what's the use of it?it must be used for copying games
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:48 am
by Memblers
It's actually not for copying cartridges, it uses the FDS as it's disk drive, which requires using the FDS cartridge. So you can't have a game cartridge and the disk connected at the same time. It may be able to copy FDS disks though, if the software supported that.
There is more info on these devices here:
http://www.famicomdisksystem.com/game-doctor-copiers/
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:31 am
by MottZilla
"Copy File" is for Copying Famicom Disk System games. Not copying cartridges.
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:24 pm
by ouso1999
Memblers wrote:It's actually not for copying cartridges, it uses the FDS as it's disk drive, which requires using the FDS cartridge. So you can't have a game cartridge and the disk connected at the same time. It may be able to copy FDS disks though, if the software supported that.
There is more info on these devices here:
http://www.famicomdisksystem.com/game-doctor-copiers/
MottZilla wrote:Copy File" is for Copying Famicom Disk System games. Not copying cartridges.
u're talking about famicom.....i don't know much about it.
but here is the link explaining how to dump genesis carts by copier
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http://www.randomsonicnet.org/workshop/
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:48 pm
by MottZilla
I am aware of this, I have Copier machines for both SNES and Genesis. I was telling you about what Famicom "Copiers" do. They do not dump cartridges. There are no devices I'm aware of that both Copy Famicom/NES cartridges and also play dumps back all in one unit. They are nothing like SNES or Genesis copiers.
As I already told you, if you want to dump NES or Famicom games you want a CopyNES. Otherwise you'll have to build or hunt down some other custom copying device.
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:12 pm
by ouso1999
MottZilla wrote:I am aware of this, I have Copier machines for both SNES and Genesis. I was telling you about what Famicom "Copiers" do. They do not dump cartridges. There are no devices I'm aware of that both Copy Famicom/NES cartridges and also play dumps back all in one unit. They are nothing like SNES or Genesis copiers.
u're true cause u're more aware of these things than me
and thank u 4 info.
MottZilla wrote:As I already told you, if you want to dump NES or Famicom games you want a CopyNES. Otherwise you'll have to build or hunt down some other custom copying device.
i hope to use copynes , but i read that it is not compatible for some famicoms , so i'm afraid
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:31 am
by ouso1999
tepples wrote:That or a Kazzo
or retrode by the way.I actually think it is very genius invention
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:39 am
by SkinnyV
I don't think retrode or the upcoming retrode 2 can do nes cart.
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:21 pm
by ouso1999
SkinnyV wrote:I don't think retrode or the upcoming retrode 2 can do nes cart.
i said famicom not nes.the manufacturer told me that it can read famicom carts.u can dump them via snes slot.
and here is the link including comments
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http://www.retrode.org/2011/03/retrode2-qa/#comments
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:02 pm
by thefox
ouso1999 wrote:SkinnyV wrote:I don't think retrode or the upcoming retrode 2 can do nes cart.
i said famicom not nes.the manufacturer told me that it can read famicom carts.u can dump them via snes slot.
and here is the link including comments
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http://www.retrode.org/2011/03/retrode2-qa/#comments
Super Famicom, *not* Famicom.
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:20 pm
by SkinnyV
I stand by what I said, retrode and retrode 2 has no support for famicom or nes even with an adapter. The use of a plug in adapter alone wouldn't be enough for famicom cart because of all the different mapper used by this console and I don't see the retrode guy going through the trouble of coding dozen of different dumping script for specific mapper support seing as their goal seem to be toward an easy and plug and play kind of device that anyone can use.