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tepples wrote:

WedNESday wrote:To be honest I never buy a PC game until it is at least 1 year old

Then you miss out on multiplayer if most of the players have upgraded to the sequel with new rosters.

I meant single-player of course. But to be realistic that is also not true as Counter-Strike is still in the top 3 most played steam games even after more than 10 years. While I agree millions will have moved on, there are still 100's playing old games like CS, TFC and so forth.

I still play UT99.. not nearly as much - and those that remain are hardcore - but I still play sometimes.

The original famicom had tons of problems. The controllers were known for wearing out, even though Nintendo had tested them and rated them for over a million button presses. Testing is by no means a silver bullet.

Same thing goes for software. Putting things out in the wild is a waaay different beast than any other sort of testing environment.

These companies have budgets, deadlines, suppliers, and shareholders. Consoles go through countless revisions, even with small things that most people don't notice, never mind massive changes with form factor or display.

And to top it off, these items are DEEP into the discretionary category of purchases. I fail to see how this is some Great Rip-off.

Ian A wrote:The original famicom had tons of problems. The controllers were known for wearing out, even though Nintendo had tested them and rated them for over a million button presses. Testing is by no means a silver bullet.

If a problem like buttons wearing out arises within the companies first console a later revision is absolutely fine.

But improving battery life and screen brightness isn't?

rainwarrior wrote:But improving battery life and screen brightness isn't?

Son you've clearly misunderstood me. What I dislike is when after two years after a console's initial release they re-release it normally looking a lot better and normally slighter smaller too.

I don't question the technological improvements behind it but rather could they have released the console with that design in the first place or did they hold out on us in order to relaunch it? It has now become almost standard practice.

I feel like the topic now loops back to this post: viewtopic.php?p=97837#p97837

So what is this "Great" list of consoles where the 2nd revision didn't have big improvements? I myself don't know of any. A2600 jr? I dunno.

I don't question the technological improvements behind it but rather could they have released the console with that design in the first place or did they hold out on us in order to relaunch it? It has now become almost standard practice.

The 3DS was available with a Mario Land bundle the day after Thanxgiving for 189.95. I held off on getting it expecting a better model to come out (That and a quick search indicated the 3DS doesn't do Flash). Sure enough...

strat wrote:

I don't question the technological improvements behind it but rather could they have released the console with that design in the first place or did they hold out on us in order to relaunch it? It has now become almost standard practice.

The 3DS was available with a Mario Land bundle the day after Thanxgiving for 189.95. I held off on getting it expecting a better model to come out (That and a quick search indicated the 3DS doesn't do Flash). Sure enough...

Ta da!

3gengames wrote:So what is this "Great" list of consoles where the 2nd revision didn't have big improvements? I myself don't know of any. A2600 jr? I dunno.

So where is this "Great" quote of my saying that 2nd revision didn't have big improvements?

3gengames wrote:So what is this "Great" list of consoles where the 2nd revision didn't have big improvements? I myself don't know of any. A2600 jr? I dunno.

Wii Family Edition (no GameCube controller ports)
Genesis 3 (no power LED; a couple games don't work because they expect the TAS instruction to be broken a certain way, unlike the Genesis 3 where it was made to work correctly)
GameCube revision (no component out)
Intellivision II (flat keypad)

EDIT (2020-08-19): Correct which instruction was fixed on the Genesis 3

PS3: No hardware PS2 support, no official Linux

tepples wrote:

3gengames wrote:So what is this "Great" list of consoles where the 2nd revision didn't have big improvements? I myself don't know of any. A2600 jr? I dunno.

Wii Family Edition (no GameCube controller ports)
Genesis 3 (no power LED; a couple games don't work because they expect the TST instruction to be broken a certain way, unlike the Genesis 3 where it was made to work correctly)
GameCube revision (no component out)
Intellivision II (flat keypad)

SNES mini is harder to pull RGB out of, and definitely isn't going to give color difference signals
Many Genesis 2 models had poor audio (and some late Genesis 1s)

This argument is going around in circles.

The "revised" model isn't the one that gets initially released, because it often doesn't even exist yet. Yes, it's sucktacular when you buy something, then find out the "better" one is coming out in a few months, but that's just how things work. If it really bothers you that much, then I would recommend you stay away from most smartphones, and basically anything that comes from Apple.

I wait for things to mature a bit, as well. However, there does need to be a cutoff point, otherwise you'll be stuck in a "I wanted this, but I waited for the revision, but now this newer thing is coming out and I don't want that other thing as much anymore, but I need to wait for this newer thing to have a revision, blah blah blah" limbo where you never obtain anything.

Sorry dude, but this is just a common risk you have to take when you go to buy something. Not just video games, either. Things take time to develop, and we release our milestones. Why did Ford bother making any cars if we're just going to all have hoverboards eventually?

Perhaps the fear is that one will buy something and then it will soon go unsupported by the manufacturer.